tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2827071479314474893.post3397130507379322347..comments2024-01-31T22:47:47.791-08:00Comments on Anglocat on the Prowl: Confessions of a Continuator: A Sign of the TimesAnglocathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03218740053628978255noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2827071479314474893.post-75329083316405091362012-01-02T12:39:34.217-08:002012-01-02T12:39:34.217-08:00Great comments, Malc, and glad to have you here. ...Great comments, Malc, and glad to have you here. <br /><br />Yes, I agree that too many in the Anglican Communion do bend over backwards to appease the extreme right (take a bow Rowan Cantaur!). And I don't for a minute want us ti do that. But the non-extremists, some of whom can be quite good even where they disagree with us (there's one in particular I'm thinking about at my church) who may not be inclusive in theology but are in their hearts. We can work with them.<br /><br />Happy new year, mate!Anglocathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218740053628978255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2827071479314474893.post-1328394183103298542012-01-02T12:21:17.737-08:002012-01-02T12:21:17.737-08:00[ One day I'll learn to accurately proof-read:...[ One day I'll learn to accurately proof-read: "guide the great idea" should have been "quite the great idea"... ]Malchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11984273201403530542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2827071479314474893.post-762909679079118552012-01-02T11:26:34.232-08:002012-01-02T11:26:34.232-08:00Fundamentally, I've come to the conclusion tha...Fundamentally, I've come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church is structurally antithetical to Christianity as I understand it. The fatal problem is the utterly unsupportable notion of papal infallibility, and everything that flows from there.<br /><br />Papal infallibility is unsupportable because it contradicts the humanity inherent in the gospel accounts of Christ's life (or rather, death). If Christ evidently believed "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:34), and yet Christ was mistaken (i.e. God had not forsaken him), then we are unavoidably drawn to the conclusion that humans, without exception even for god-made-flesh, are fallible.<br /><br />So if Christ was fallible, how does the vicar-on-earth get a pass on infallibility? And let's not forget that the gospel of Mark was probably actually written by the first Pope, so we're not dealing with that sort of ambiguity.<br /><br />You'll note I'm not suggesting that the Pope cannot be <i>right</i> and indeed divinely guided, merely that neither he nor any other human (including Christ-made-man) can claim that they cannot be <i>wrong</i>.<br /><br />And this is proven by the accepted "wisdom" of Rome; the Inquisition, for instance, is now not seen as guide the great idea that it seemed at the time. Which Popes were right, the ones endorsing the horrors, or the ones asking for the horrors to be forgiven? They can't have it both ways.<br /><br />Ergo we know the Pope is fallible. If he were not, he would not be human, and anyway he gets to be Pope by the actions of individuals who know claims to be infallible; that inevitably results in the <i>possibility</i> that the individual elected Pope may have certain venal tendencies, including (but limited) to the possibility of lying!<br /><br />At the end of the day, the Catholic Church has preserved the fiction politic underlying the concept of the divine right of kings. As Mandy Rice-Davies famously noted, they would say that, wouldn't they! Quite why anyone who values democracy would tolerate that kind of arrogant nonsense is a question for Catholics everywhere...<br /><br />Getting back to your point, while I agree that a conservative constituency provides a useful stabilizing influence on any group, I submit that any group that effectively abhors Christ's teachings on tolerance has no place in a Christian Church, and as a result they are not a constituency.<br /><br />Let me close with a thought: 2000 years ago, there was a group known of their obsession with man-made rules, especially those defining alleged purity. We are told in all the synoptic gospels that Christ is underwhelmed by this group... <br /><br />So why do we defer so much to these modern-day Pharisees?<br /><br />Malc.Malchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11984273201403530542noreply@blogger.com